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Sat, Mar. 7th, 2009, 09:24 pm
Unscientific survey - pissing in peace

Ok, so current local political debates have got me wondering...

Women: If you were in a public bathroom, in a private stall, doing your business, and a man came in, went to a different private stall, did his business and left without committing any (other) crime (eg. ogling you through or under the door), would you feel somehow violated or otherwise harmed? Why? Please be specific.

And just to be fair, men, same question, but with the genders reversed.

Sun, Mar. 8th, 2009 03:38 am (UTC)
[info]shlafe

I might feel weird having privately exposed body parts so close to a male stranger's privately exposed body parts, but I'd get over it. I wouldn't feel violated or harmed.

Sun, Mar. 8th, 2009 04:53 am (UTC)
[info]gardenwaltz

Without any other context, I would find the situation so far out of the norm that I would be a bit disturbed. However, if I knew that it was a co-ed facility I would *mostly* be ok with it. It would depend a lot on specifics.

Sun, Mar. 8th, 2009 06:22 am (UTC)
[info]knobody

because no women, upon seeing the huge lines for the ladies at halftime at a football game or at a club have every just gone in and used the gents. that NEVER happens.

i would not feel violated or harmed. it would be a bit odd and make me a tad curious and perhaps suspicious, but not threatened. i might, just to be safe, stay in my stall until he leaves. but i might do that just to avoid a gaggle of teenage girls too.

Sun, Mar. 8th, 2009 06:26 am (UTC)
[info]dwatney

Long, long ago, my roommate's girlfriend came in to use the toilet while I was taking a shower (not unannounced and with an opaque shower curtain) and we survived it. Not quite the same thing...

If I'm in a stall, unless I see obviously feminine shoes, how would I even know?

Sun, Mar. 8th, 2009 12:55 pm (UTC)
[info]sylvar

I've been the guy in the ladies' room many times, accompanying Jodi, and nobody has ever complained, but I'm always afraid this will be the time that someone freaks out and gets me arrested.

I've also used a multi-stall, unisex bathroom (at a St. Pete Bealls Outlet) and been the first one in when a woman came in while I was in medias res. Neither of us was bothered.

What really bugs me is when there are two bathrooms side-by-side, each consisting of a single toilet and a single sink, and they're gender-marked. Utterly pointless. Makes people wait in line needlessly (and I've been that person plenty of times when no women were in line), and makes people declare a gender needlessly (I've met a fair number of transgender people whose transitions would have been easier had the bathrooms been marked unisex). Hell, I'm not transitioning, and I've gotten weird looks in the men's room when I had long hair and no beard, even though I was just minding my own business (so to speak). Some local businesses get it right (Trader Joe's, R. Thomas Deluxe Grill), and some are thinking it over (Doc Chey's).

I'd like to live to see a world in which Jodi and I wouldn't have to stop having a conversation merely because one of us needs to pee and we're not at home. I'd like to be able to help her in a supposedly accessible bathroom without worrying. Obviously some people would be uncomfortable at the beginning. Others were uncomfortable when a person of another race was legally permitted to use 'their' bathroom, and I'm sure violence was employed to re-segregate bathrooms here and there. But now you don't see bathrooms marked 'Whites', so why should you see bathrooms marked 'Women'?

Sun, Mar. 8th, 2009 01:07 pm (UTC)
[info]sylvar

...besides which, those silhouette stereotypes are just silly. I've seen women in pants and men in kilts at parties, and that's not limited to late October. If you're going to engage in segregation in the 21st century, folks, at least have the simple decency to use a more accurate pictogram, like a cunt or a cock. There are still intersex people who'd be just as excluded, but that's another reason to desegregate.

From what I've read about amendment 1, the bathroom issue is just a red herring anyway. It's really about eliminating the right of the city to correct certain civil-rights problems in state law -- which wouldn't necessarily invalidate state laws such as the one permitting merchants to segregate bathrooms by sex or gender.

Sun, Mar. 8th, 2009 01:41 pm (UTC)
[info]kismet76

Since we technically have men that come come into the womens room where I work, I don't see any issue with it...granted these men are in heels and skirts...but...as long as it is a coed facility, I have no problems...but then, I grew up with two brothers and one bathroom...

Sun, Mar. 8th, 2009 02:03 pm (UTC)
[info]simplykathryn

It wouldn't bother me except for the fact that I'd probably wonder if *I* was in the wrong bathroom... Years ago, while out camping, the only place nearby that had showers was a Truck Stop. The lady at the counter told us that we could use the shower, but that they only had them in the men's locker room. We startled quite a few male truckers who came in, heard our obviously non-male voices, and thought they were in the wrong place. They were quite apologetic, and we were the ones invading their turf! We didn't parade around half-clothed, like you would in the ladies locker room at the gym, but it was a little uncomfortable for all concerned.

But I did get my shower.